Published on Alternet (http://www.alternet.org)
Lying Is
the Business of Right-Wing Propagandists
April 21, 2016
We live in
troubling times, what many have dubbed a “post-truth” era, where there’s
little, if any, political penalty for conservatives to tell outright lies about
everything from health care to climate change, an environment that has led
directly to the situation we face now, where the Republican primary is a race
between two stunningly belligerent and
shameless liars [3].
Ari
Rabin-Havt and Media Matters have come together to chronicle how things got
this bad in a new book, Lies, Incorporated: The World of Post-Truth
Politics. I interviewed Rabin-Havt about the industry that’s grown up to
create and spread the lies that are the basis of much of modern right-wing
propaganda.
Your book
is titled Lies, Incorporated, which you say is more than a snazzy
title, but a reference to “this industry made of lobbyists, PR companies, media
lackeys, unethical experts and unscrupulous think tanks.” And it’s all for the
purpose of spreading and ingraining lies into the public consciousness, usually
from the right. Why do you think this deserves a designation as its own
industry?
When I
started digging in, I found it to be something different than your day-to-day
run-of-the-mill D.C. lobbying and corruption. I found it to be something wholly
more unethical and wholly strategically separate. Even though it’s part and
parcel of the tactics used in those efforts, it becomes something different
when you think about the fact that these are individuals who set out to
intentionally manipulate public policy by manipulating the truth.
This whole
system started with the tobacco industry and its efforts to shut down
discussion about how smoking causes cancer. Can you talk about that history?
Sure, and
full credit to Naomi Oreskes and her team and her work at Harvard and her book,
which I think really opened a lot of eyes around this.
John Hill [4] met
with kind of the tobacco barons in the 1950s and they had a problem—their issue
was that there were a series of articles coming out where the linkages between
their product and cancer were becoming more and more clear. In fact, the
research that linked tobacco to cancer dates back decades before that. By the
time they met it was kind of becoming widely accepted.
So
Hill sets up a PR infrastructure to combat the very idea that tobacco
was causing health problems. They basically decided that the best way for them
to maintain their profits as an industry was to join together and deny facts
and knowingly lie.
What’s
interesting is John Hill, this legendary PR guy, before he had this meeting
with the tobacco barons, he himself had quit smoking because of health
concerns!
And yet
still was willing to push this.
If you look
at the quote-unquote tobacco scientists, and then if you look at a lot of the
people I cite in the book, it’s very easy to say—you hear this all the time
with climate scientists—"these are people who sold out for money."
It’s really easy to say that. That’s not true in most of these cases.
There is financial gain, let’s not toss that to the side, but these people do
it for ideology.
For
example, in the case of climate, if you look at the ideology of some of the
distinguished researchers that were coming out who were climate deniers, a lot
of it is anticommunism. Why? Because they believe that big government and
government intervention in such a large scale problem invariably takes a road
towards more government control, hence, communism.
It seems to
me that while the climate denialist movement started with this well-funded
industry attempt to find some dirt on climate scientists, the
attacks really got traction because all of these right-wing ideologues
started dog-piling these scientists. What happened there?
You
have a hack of East Anglia University [5], which was
a pretty unknown university to people outside this world, where a bunch of
emails from climate scientists all around the world discussing their research
get exposed. They’re people on an email list together, and when people are on
an email list together in the confines of friends, they talk in a fairly casual
manner because you assume good faith. If you take things out of context when
people are speaking in a casual manner, especially scientists, you end up with
ideological weapons that can be used.
Ken
Cuccinelli, who was then attorney general of Virginia and trying to run for
governor, tried to get climate scientist Michael Mann [6]'s records
from UVA, where he had been a professor. You have investigations launched, all
of which find, of course, that there’s nothing wrong.
At the
same time, people who are ideologically interested in trying to shoot down
global warming constantly use “Climategate[7]” as an excuse. Back in
my old Media Matters [8] days,
when we got an inbox with a bunch of internal Fox emails, one of the ones I
mention in this book was an email where the Washington managing editor ordered
reporters to kind of cite climategate when talking about climate change. So you
see this repeatedly carried out through the
media [9] to convince people that, “Oh, this proves that climate
change is just some giant liberal scam,” which is what a lot of people believe
somehow.
The death
panels issue is a crystalline example of how industry needs come together with
right-wing ideology to push this ridiculous idea into the public and it somehow
takes off. How did that happen?
You have
Betsy McCaughey, who is a known liar. Ezra Klein [10] had
written back in 2009 that the thing about Betsy McCaughey is, “She’s
an exciting liar.” So her lies work.
In the
1990s, she’d written an article called “No Exit [11]” in The New Republic, which
became an infamous piece that the right, people like Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole
and Bill Kristol, heralded as the piece that brought down the Clinton health
care bill. It was full of lies about the Clinton health care bill, but in a
pre-internet age it took a long time to debunk it, almost a decade. The New Republic only apologized for
it years later [12].
McCaughey was
a person who was knowingly a liar about health care, and when the Obama health
care bill comes up, she takes the opportunity to re-enter the spotlight. During
an interview with Fred Thompson, who was then a radio host after running for
president and being on “Law & Order” and being a senator, she
implies that the Obama bill has a section in it that tries to make seniors
end their lives early.
Then
Michele Bachmann picks this up and repeats it on the floor of the House of
Representatives. Sarah Palin sees Michele Bachmann’s speech and writes about it
on Facebook and coins the term “death panel.” So there’s a kind of right-wing
chain that leads to Sarah Palin’s death panel post, which sparked the entire
conversation.
With the
book coming out, I decided to do a survey. I had a few questions about lies
that I wanted answered. I wanted to see if the death panel lie still existed:
Do people still think there are death panels? We’re seven years out, and right
now, at this moment, 60 percent of Americans, of registered voters polled,
either think that there is a death panel or are not sure.
We’ve now
had Obamacare for a number of years and there’s clearly nobody killing grandma.
One would think it might be in the news if there was a death panel killing
grandma. Here’s what’s even more amazing: 51 percent
of Democrats either think Obamacare establishes death panels or
aren’t sure. And of course, 74 percent of Republicans believe that. That’s how
sticky that lie was.
You lay out
a really good case that lies tend to be believed on how exciting they are
rather than how likely they are or what the evidence is. How does the left
fight this sort of thing if debunking doesn’t work?
First, I
don’t want to say that debunking is not important. Even if debunking is not a
perfect methodology, it needs to be done or the situation gets even worse. Can
you imagine if it wasn’t debunked?
But I think
there are things that we need to do tactically. One mistake is there is a
tendency among progressive politicians and others, even when we know something
is a lie, to sometimes cave to it.
So with the
end of life counseling provisions, that was actually something fairly important
in Obamacare. It was something the AARP thought was good. Anyone who has
had a relative who was a senior pass, you understand how those last days can be
very, very difficult. You want people to be able to make decisions about the
medication they’re on, about whether they should be resuscitated or not. People
should be able to make those decisions themselves, and those things are
complicated conversations that require medical professionals. But what happened
is the administration ended up stripping that out of the bill.
Another
issue is trying to enforce, through social structures, a mechanism where you
cut off media access if somebody is a known and repeated liar—not if
somebody is like a spinner, not if somebody disagrees with you—but somebody
like Betsy McCaughey. She should not be given a platform to talk on TV because
she’s interesting.
Take Donald
Trump. The problem right now is you can’t cut Donald Trump out of the media.
He’s the leading Republican candidate. But you could have cut
off Donald Trump way back when he was a birther. It’s a media responsibility to
say that certain people sacrifice their right to go on TV. This shouldn’t be a
government decision, but networks can set policies to say, “If we know you’re
gonna come on and lie, it’s not cute.”
You say in
the book that you think the anti-abortion movement might be the most mendacious
of all, that pretty much everything they do is based on lies.
It’s very
strange to me because it’s something that could be grounded in a moral
difference. That’s what it’s supposedly grounded in, but then you look at all
of their actions and they’re based on lies, and easily fact-checked ones.
It’s led to a world with these horrendous TRAP laws [13], which in
and of themselves are lies. The very idea that Texas was passing these laws for
the benefit and health of women is laughable even to the people who passed it.
It’s the
same thing with voter ID laws. The idea that anybody believes that voter ID laws
are being passed to prevent voter fraud is laughable, because there isn’t any
of that type of voter fraud.
Everything
is an urban legend at this point, that they then legislate on. Your book was
written before this became an issue, but you see the same thing going on
with the bathroom predator nonsense [14] and
the anti-trans laws.
Exactly,
it’s the same thing. In that case you see people coming up with an outrageous
falsehood to scare broad swaths of the population into believing that a problem
exists that doesn’t exist. Assault is bad. If assault happens, that’s illegal
already. But there is no rash of people pretending to be trans to enter women’s
bathrooms. The bigger problem is that trans women are being victimized in our
society.
When we
think about corruption and how our democracy is hacked, we think about money
and lobbying. But we also should think about how when those lobbyists enter
meetings, they come in with fact sheets and talking points, a lot of the time
based on lies. The issue should be this culture we’ve created where lies
serve a strategic benefit in Washington and we really need to put a halt to it.
Amanda
Marcotte is a politics writer for Salon. She's on Twitter
@AmandaMarcotte.
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